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Saturday, April 26, 2025

When Overseas Vietnamese Buy Land: The 50-50 Rule Explained


Etymology Corner 🔍

The word "proxy" comes from the Medieval Latin word "procuratio," meaning "management, administration," which itself derives from "procurare" meaning "to take care of." When overseas Vietnamese have someone act as their proxy to buy land in Vietnam, they're literally asking someone to "take care of" their interests - though as we'll see in this case, sometimes that care can be a bit... careless! 😏



The "Handshake Deal" That Ended Up in Court 👨‍⚖️

Hello, legal adventurers! 👋 Today we're diving into a fascinating case that reached the Ho Chi Minh City High Court, featuring an overseas Vietnamese, a mother-in-law, and a classic tale of "I thought you were holding that land for me!" Let's break down this property dispute that has important implications for anyone considering similar arrangements.

The Case in a Nutshell 🥜

Picture this scenario: An overseas Vietnamese sends money home to buy land, asking family members to hold it in their names until he returns. Years later, those family members claim the land was a gift, not a holding arrangement. Sound familiar? This happens more often than you might think! Let's meet our cast of characters:

The key players:

  • Thomas Truong (plaintiff): A Vietnamese-American who sent money from the US to buy land in Vietnam
  • Victoria Nguyen (defendant): Thomas's mother-in-law who held the land titles in her name
  • Vincent Dang (defendant): Thomas's former proxy who initially helped purchase the land
  • BIDV Bank (interested party): A bank with security interest in the disputed properties

The dispute centered around two separate properties:

  1. A 1,448.7 m² plot in My Hai Ward, Phan Rang-Thap Cham City where a café was built
  2. A 50,005.6 m² agricultural plot in Phuong Hai Commune, Ninh Phuoc District

Thomas claimed he sent money to buy both properties but had family members hold the titles since, as an overseas Vietnamese at that time, he faced restrictions on directly owning land. Victoria claimed the land was gifted to her, while Vincent (who had since divorced Victoria) said he had transferred all his interests to Victoria.

First Instance Judgment: A Solomon-Like Split 🪓

In September 2017, the Ninh Thuan Provincial Court took a compromise approach:

The court found that:

  • Thomas did indeed send money to purchase both properties
  • Victoria and Vincent acted as proxies but contributed to maintaining and developing the land
  • As proxies who added value to the property, they deserved a share of the increased value

The verdict: The court decided to:

  • Award Victoria 80% of the value increase of both properties
  • Award Thomas only 20% of the value increase (plus his original investment)
  • Require Thomas to remove all structures he built on the café property

Both parties were unhappy with this split and appealed.

Appellate Judgment: The 50-50 Principle Prevails! ⚖️

On June 12, 2019, the Ho Chi Minh City High Court delivered a significantly different verdict, applying what we might call the "50-50 rule":

  1. The appellate court found that Precedent Case No. 02/2016/AL established that:
    • When overseas Vietnamese buy land through proxies
    • And if the exact contribution of the proxy cannot be determined
    • Then the court should divide the increased value equally (50-50)
  2. For the café property (1,448.7 m²):
    • Original purchase price: 12,000,000 VND
    • Current value: 1,932,565,800 VND
    • Value increase: 1,770,536,800 VND (after subtracting land leveling costs)
    • Thomas gets: Original 12,000,000 VND + 50% of increase (885,268,400 VND) = 897,268,400 VND
  3. For the agricultural land (50,005.6 m²):
    • Original purchase price: 20,000,000 VND
    • Current value: 1,000,112,000 VND
    • Value increase: 980,112,000 VND
    • Thomas gets: Original 20,000,000 VND + 50% of increase (490,056,000 VND) = 510,056,000 VND
  4. Total amount Victoria must pay Thomas: 1,407,324,400 VND (approximately $60,000 USD)

The 50-50 Rule for Overseas Vietnamese Land Disputes 📊



The Legal Lessons: Four Key Takeaways 📝

This case offers several crucial lessons for overseas Vietnamese (Việt kiều) and those acting as their proxies:

  1. Original investment is always protected. The court affirmed that the person who provided the money to purchase land is entitled to get back at least their original investment, regardless of how much time has passed.
  2. Value increase is split 50-50 when contributions are unclear. If the court cannot determine exactly how much each party contributed to the property's increased value, the default is an equal split.
  3. Documentation is crucial. The court relied heavily on evidence showing who provided the purchase money, even when that evidence was years old.
  4. Verbal agreements are risky. Both parties admitted their arrangement was verbal with no written agreement, which made the case much more complex to resolve.

Real-Life Examples of Land Proxy Arrangements in Vietnam 🏠

  1. The Family Obligation 👨‍👩‍👧 An overseas Vietnamese sends money to her brother to buy a house in Ho Chi Minh City in 2010 for 500 million VND. By 2023, the property is worth 2.5 billion VND. The brother has maintained the property and paid all taxes. After a dispute, courts awarded the sister 500 million VND plus 50% of the 2 billion VND increase, for a total of 1.5 billion VND.
  2. The Investment Partnership 💼 A Vietnamese-Canadian invests 300 million VND with a cousin to buy agricultural land in the Mekong Delta. The cousin contributes expertise and labor to develop the land into a productive fruit orchard. When the overseas Vietnamese returns to claim the land, courts recognize the cousin's substantial contribution and award a 30-70 split (30% to the money provider, 70% to the cousin).
  3. The Documented Agreement 📄 A Vietnamese-American and his uncle sign a formal agreement specifying that the uncle is merely holding the property on behalf of his nephew and will transfer it upon request. When the uncle later claims the property was a gift, the court honors the written agreement and orders complete transfer of the property to the nephew.

Did You Know? 🤔

  • Before 2015, overseas Vietnamese faced significant restrictions on owning property in Vietnam! The 2014 amendments to the Housing Law finally made it easier for Việt kiều to buy houses. 🏡
  • The "50-50 rule" for resolving proxy disputes (Precedent Case No. 02/2016/AL) was only formalized in 2016, though courts had been using similar principles before that! ⚖️
  • According to Ministry of Construction data, overseas Vietnamese have purchased over 16,000 houses in Vietnam since the 2015 legal changes! 📈
  • While overseas Vietnamese can now legally own houses, many still use proxy arrangements to avoid administrative hassles and possible discrimination from sellers unfamiliar with the new laws! 📝
  • The value of land in provincial cities like Phan Rang-Thap Cham has increased by an average of 300-500% in the last decade, making these proxy disputes increasingly valuable! 💰

How Nature Handles "Proxy Ownership" 🌿

Interestingly, the animal kingdom has its own versions of proxy relationships and resource sharing:

  • Cleaner Fish and Larger Fish: Cleaner fish maintain "cleaning stations" on coral reefs. Larger fish allow them to feed on parasites in their mouths and gills. This looks like the larger fish "owns" the cleaning station, but actually, the cleaner fish controls access to this resource.
  • Burrowing Owls and Prairie Dogs: Burrowing owls use abandoned prairie dog burrows rather than digging their own. Sometimes they even live in active prairie dog towns, with each species benefiting from the other's alarm calls about predators.
  • Hermit Crabs and Shells: Hermit crabs don't make their own shells but use abandoned shells from other creatures. When they outgrow their current home, they find a new shell and "trade up."

The key difference? In nature, these resource-sharing arrangements usually benefit both parties immediately, while human proxy arrangements often lead to disputes when expectations change over time! 🐚

Tips for Overseas Vietnamese Buying Land Through Proxies 💡

  1. Get it in writing. Create a detailed written agreement specifying that you are the true owner of the property despite someone else's name on the title.
  2. Document all money transfers. Keep records of all money sent for land purchases, including the purpose of the transfer.
  3. Consider a formal authorization. Use a legally notarized power of attorney document rather than informal family arrangements.
  4. Update agreements periodically. Have your proxy sign annual confirmation that they are holding the property on your behalf.
  5. Know the current laws. Stay informed about changing regulations regarding overseas Vietnamese property ownership.
  6. Consider direct ownership. If you qualify under current law to own property directly, consider transferring title to your name.
  7. Be clear about development plans. If your proxy will develop the land, specify how costs and increased value will be shared.

Test Your Knowledge: Overseas Vietnamese Land Proxy Quiz! 📝

  1. According to Vietnam's land proxy precedent, who owns the original investment amount in a proxy land purchase? a) The proxy holder b) The overseas Vietnamese who provided the money c) Both parties equally d) Depends on the written agreement
  2. What happens to the value increase of property when contributions cannot be precisely calculated? a) The overseas buyer gets all of it b) The proxy holder gets all of it c) It's split 50-50 d) It's split 20-80 in favor of the proxy holder
  3. Which document established the "50-50 rule" for overseas Vietnamese land proxy disputes? a) The 2013 Land Law b) The 2015 Civil Code c) Precedent Case No. 02/2016/AL d) Resolution 326/2016/UBTVQH14
  4. In the Thomas Truong case, why did the appellate court change the distribution from 20-80 to 50-50? a) New evidence was presented b) The first court incorrectly applied the precedent c) The parties reached a new agreement d) The land value was reassessed

(Answers: 1-b, 2-c, 3-c, 4-b)

The Takeaway: Clear Agreements Prevent Costly Disputes 📋

The Thomas Truong case illustrates the complexity and cost of resolving land proxy disputes in Vietnam. By the time the case concluded, both parties had spent significant time and money on legal fees, and their family relationship was likely damaged beyond repair.

For overseas Vietnamese considering property purchase through proxies, the lesson is clear: proper documentation from the start can prevent years of legal battles later. For those already in proxy arrangements, formalizing the understanding as soon as possible is crucial.

The courts have established a fair framework for resolving these disputes, but as with most legal matters, prevention is better than cure. A simple written agreement could have saved Thomas, Victoria, and Vincent years of stress and significant legal expenses.

Call to Action 🗣️

Are you an overseas Vietnamese with property held by proxies in Vietnam? Have you experienced similar disputes? Share your experience in the comments below—what arrangements have worked (or failed) for you? What documentation do you wish you had created from the beginning?


🚨 Fun But Serious: A Brief Legal Disclaimer 🚨

Hey there, legal explorer! 🕵️‍♂️ Before you go...

  • This article is like a map, not a teleporter 🗺️ It'll guide you, but won't zap your problems away!
  • Each legal journey is unique 🦄 Your mileage may vary!
  • For real-world quests, seek a professional legal wizard 🧙‍♂️ (May we suggest Thay Diep & Associates Law Firm?)

Remember: Reading this doesn't make you a lawyer, just like watching "House Hunters International" doesn't make you a real estate agent! 🏠😉

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If you're reading this in the evening, may your dreams be full of clear property titles and free of proxy disputes! 😴 If you're reading this in the morning, may your day be as solid as a properly documented land agreement! ☀️ And if you're reading this during your lunch break at work, I hope your investments are growing faster than the value of Thomas's land did! 💸


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Friday, January 26, 2024

🌏 Vietkieus and Citizen Identity Cards: A Global Identity Crisis? 🇻🇳

 

Etymology

Việt kiều: From "Việt" (Vietnamese) and "kiều" (overseas). It's like saying "Vietnamese abroad" - because sometimes, home is where the phở is! 🍜



In a Nutshell: Can Overseas Vietnamese Get a Piece of the ID Pie? 🥧

Are you a Vietnamese globetrotter wondering if you can still get your hands on that shiny new Citizen Identity Card? Let's unravel this international identity puzzle! 🧩

The Big Question: Can Overseas Vietnamese Get a Citizen Identity Card? 🤔

Spoiler Alert: Yes, but with a twist! It's not just about being Vietnamese; it's about being the right kind of Vietnamese. Let's break it downNgọc Prinny style:

  1. You're in if:
    • 🇻🇳 You're a Vietnamese citizen living abroad (Easy peasy, lemon squeezy!)
    • 🌱 You're of Vietnamese origin, still holding onto that Vietnamese citizenship (Roots matter!)
    • 🎂 You're 14 or older (Time to adult!)
  2. You might be in if:
    • 👶 You're under 14 but feeling extra patriotic (Early bird gets the ID!)
  3. You're out if:
    • 🚫 You've renounced your Vietnamese citizenship (No take-backsies!)

How to Get Your Hands on That Sweet, Sweet ID 🍭

  1. For the 14+ crowd:
    • 🖥️ Get your info checked in the national database
    • 📸 Smile for the camera (and fingerprint scanner, and eye scanner...)
    • ✍️ Sign on the dotted line
    • 🎫 Get your "golden ticket" (appointment slip)
    • 🚚 Wait for delivery or pick it up (your choice, your adventure!)
  2. For the tiny citizens (under 14):
    • 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Bring a grown-up (they do the heavy lifting)
    • 🖥️ Apply online or in person (tech-savvy toddlers, unite!)
    • 📸 Photo shoot time (6 and up only - sorry, babies!)

But Wait, What About My Address? 🏠

No Vietnamese address? No problem! Here's the lowdown:

  • 🏡 Got a permanent address in Vietnam? That's going on the card.
  • 🏨 Only have a temporary address? That'll do!
  • 🌍 Living your best life abroad? Your foreign address gets the spotlight (in Vietnamese, of course - let's keep it spicy!)

Remember: Identity Knows No Borders! 🌈

Whether you're slurping phở in Hanoi or sipping coffee in New York, your Vietnamese identity is just a card away. It's like having a piece of Vietnam in your wallet! 🇻🇳❤️


🚨 Fun But Serious: A Brief Legal Disclaimer 🚨

Hey there, legal explorer! 🕵️‍♂️ Before you go...

  • This article is like a map, not a teleporter 🗺️ It'll guide you, but won't zap your problems away!
  • Each legal journey is unique 🦄 Your mileage may vary!
  • For real-world quests, seek a professional legal wizard 🧙‍♂️ (May we suggest Thay Diep & Associates Law Firm?)

Remember: Reading this doesn't make you a lawyer, just like watching "Top Gun" doesn't make you a pilot! ✈️😉

#LegalInfo #NotLegalAdvice #ConsultAPro

Hashtags: #VietKieu #CitizenIdentityCard #OverseasVietnamese #VietnameseID #GlobalVietnamese

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