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Wednesday, October 22, 2025

"OK Nha Em" = Legally Binding? When Your Casual Zalo Messages Become Corporate Law! 📱⚖️

 

Etymology Corner 📚✨

The word "consent" comes from the Latin "consentire," meaning "to feel together" or "to agree" - from "con-" (together) + "sentire" (to feel). In ancient Rome, consent was shown through physical gestures, spoken words, or written documents. But would Roman lawyers have accepted a casual message saying "OK dear"? We're about to find out how Vietnamese courts answered that very question - 2,000 years later! 🏛️→📱




In a Nutshell: The Digital Consent Revolution 🚀

Picture this: You're a board member of a Vietnamese company. It's late at night 🌙. Your fellow board member sends you the meeting minutes via Zalo (Vietnam's WhatsApp). You quickly reply: "OK nha em" (literally: "OK dear/buddy" - a casual, friendly Vietnamese phrase) 💬.

Question: Did you just give legally binding corporate consent? 🤔

Answer: According to Ho Chi Minh City People's Court in Decision No. 1191/2023/QDPT-KDTM... YES, YOU DID! 🎯

This December 2023 appellate decision is a game-changer for Vietnamese corporate governance, confirming that your casual Zalo messages can be just as legally binding as formal signatures! 😱

📊 The Case At A Glance

🏢 THE DIGITAL DRAMA:
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📱 Platform: Zalo (Vietnam's #1 messaging app)
💬 The Magic Words: "OK nha em" + "Biên bản ok"
⚖️ Legal Question: Valid corporate consent?

🎭 THE PLAYERS:
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😤 Plaintiff: David Nguyen (Board Member)
   "Those were just casual chats! Not legal consent!"

🏛️ Defendant: Company B LLC  
   "Nope! You agreed via Zalo. That counts!"

👥 Other Key Players:
   - Dana Nguyen (Board Secretary - 75% ownership)
   - Harry Tran (Board Member - sent materials via Zalo)
   - Tracy Ta (Director under dispute)

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⚖️ COURT DECISIONS:
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First Instance (June 2023): ❌ Plaintiff LOST
Appellate (December 2023): ❌ Plaintiff LOST AGAIN

💬 Court's Message: "OK nha em" = LEGALLY BINDING! ✅

The Corporate Soap Opera Unfolds 🎭

Act 1: The Late-Night Zalo Session 📱🌙

Date: October 27, 2022, between 1:16 PM and 2:03 PM

Our story begins when Company B needs to hold a Board of Members meeting. But there's drama! 🍿 The company's director, Tracy Ta, has been "missing in action" - not cooperating with the board's efforts to transfer shares and other business matters.

So the board decides to hold a meeting to replace her. But here's the twist: Board member David Nguyen is traveling on business! 🛫

The Solution? Go digital, baby! 📱

Board secretary Dana Nguyen sends a Zalo message to David with the meeting draft minutes. The message includes:

"Brother, please help me sign the HDTV meeting minutes"

And David responds via Zalo:

"OK nha em" (OK dear/buddy)

Later, Dana sends more official wording via Zalo, and David responds again confirming he received and agreed to the content! ✅

Act 2: Second Thoughts 🤔💭

Fast forward to November 3, 2022 (8:32 AM - 9:40 AM)

David suddenly has buyer's remorse! He sends a message to Dana saying:

"I don't agree to sign the minutes about appointing Tracy Ta as Director"

Wait, what?! 😮 But you said "OK nha em" just days ago!

Dana and board member Harry Tran respond:

"Bro, we already informed you about the meeting through calls and messages. Why are you changing your mind now?"

Act 3: The Legal Battle ⚖️🥊

David files a lawsuit claiming the Board Resolution No. 04/QD-HDTV (October 28, 2022) should be invalidated because:

  1. ❌ The meeting wasn't properly conducted - it was organized by an external event company!
  2. ❌ Minutes weren't properly signed - only had Zalo messages!
  3. ❌ He didn't give formal written consent - just casual chat!
  4. ❌ Director Tracy Ta wasn't properly appointed - the process was flawed!

Company B's Defense 🛡️:

  • ✅ We followed Article 993/2022/VB-TPLSG procedures
  • ✅ David clearly consented via Zalo - "OK nha em" means agreement!
  • ✅ The meeting was valid under Enterprise Law 2020, Article 60
  • ✅ Modern communication methods should be recognized!

🏛️ The Court Journey: Two Strikes, You're Out! ⚾

Round 1: First Instance (June 19, 2023)

District 1 People's Court - Judge Nguyen Quang D's Verdict: ❌ CLAIM REJECTED

The first instance court ruled:

"Your Zalo messages constituted valid consent. You can't take it back now!"

David's reaction: "This is outrageous! I'm appealing!" 😤

Round 2: Appellate Court (December 15, 2023)

HCMC People's Court - 3-Judge Panel Verdict: ⚖️ APPEAL DENIED

The appellate court delivered a comprehensive 13-page decision with brilliant reasoning! 🧠


🎯 The Court's Game-Changing Analysis

On "OK Nha Em" as Legal Consent 💬✅

The court examined the Zalo message exchange and found:

Point 1: Clear Intent 🎯

"Based on the Zalo text messages between D and T3, and between D and T2, it is clear that D agreed with the content of the Board meeting minutes. This was demonstrated by D's agreement via Zalo stating he agreed to help 'sign' the HDTV meeting minutes."

Point 2: No Ambiguity 📝

"On October 28, 2022, D sent a text message to T3 saying 'Minutes OK,' which means D would sign on the minutes content to confirm the legal nature of the minutes"

Point 3: Timing Matters ⏰ The court noted that David ONLY objected AFTER he learned Tracy Ta wasn't following through on share transfers. His November 3rd message came suspiciously late!

Point 4: Modern Communication = Valid Consent 📱

"In fact, although D didn't physically attend the meeting at Company B, D clearly expressed his opinion of agreement through Zalo text messages"

The Legal Foundation 📖

The court relied on key legal provisions:

Enterprise Law 2020, Article 60:

"Board of Member meetings don't require all members to be physically present, only need names, signatures of the meeting recorder and chairman."

Enterprise Law 2020, Article 62:

"Resolutions and decisions of the Board of Members are passed by 100% of capital shares and are valid immediately even in situations where proper meeting procedures aren't fully followed, as long as the decision-making process is properly implemented."

Company Charter, Article 24:

"Board meetings can include the names, signatures of the meeting recorder and chairman."

Translation: The law says you need support and proper documentation - it does NOT say that support must come through wet-ink signatures! 🖊️❌📱✅


🏠🚗 Real-Life Examples: When Your Texts Become Law

Scenario 1: The Startup Board WhatsApp Group 💼📱

TechStart Vietnam has 3 board members. They create a WhatsApp group for quick decisions.

Situation: CEO sends draft resolution to increase capital via WhatsApp.

  • Member 1: "👍 Agree!"
  • Member 2: "OK luôn!" (OK right away!)
  • Member 3: "Đồng ý anh ơi" (I agree, bro!)

Question: Valid board resolution? Answer: ✅ YES! Under this precedent, these informal digital messages constitute valid consent if they clearly show agreement!

Scenario 2: The Late Night Email Emergency 📧🌙

ManufactureCo needs urgent board approval to sign a time-sensitive contract.

Situation: Chairman emails draft resolution at 11 PM. Board members reply:

  • Member 1 (2 AM): "Approved"
  • Member 2 (3 AM): "OK nha"
  • Member 3 (6 AM): "👌"

Question: Can they execute the contract immediately without a formal meeting? Answer: ✅ Probably YES! The court's logic suggests that clear digital consent, even at odd hours, can be valid.

Scenario 3: The "Just Joking" Defense 😅❌

RetailChain Ltd board member sends: "LOL OK whatever you say boss 😂"

Later claims: "I was being sarcastic!"

Question: Valid consent? Answer: ⚠️ RISKY! Courts will look at:

  • Context of the conversation
  • Your typical communication style
  • Whether you raised objections later
  • The overall tone of the exchange

Pro tip: If you're joking, make it CRYSTAL CLEAR! Don't use language that could be interpreted as agreement! 🚨

Scenario 4: The Silent Treatment 🤐

ServiceCo sends board resolution via Zalo. One member reads it (blue checkmarks ✓✓) but doesn't respond.

Question: Is silence consent? Answer: ❌ NO! The court emphasized that David ACTIVELY agreed via messages. Silence or read receipts alone likely won't cut it.


🤔 Did You Know? Legal Trivia Time!

Fact #1: Vietnam's Enterprise Law 2020 was specifically updated to accommodate modern digital communication methods! It's one of the most tech-forward corporate laws in Southeast Asia! 🇻🇳📱

Fact #2: The phrase "OK nha em" uses "em" - a Vietnamese pronoun showing familiarity/affection - yet the court ruled it's STILL legally binding! Formal language is NOT required for legal consent! 💬⚖️

Fact #3: This case cites Article 993/2022/VB-TPLSG - a document from Office T7 dated November 3, 2022, that specifically governs online/remote meetings! Vietnam saw the COVID-19 pandemic and said: "Let's make remote corporate governance LEGAL!" 🏠💼

Fact #4: The court approved a meeting where the notice said: "Company's headquarters or via online/remote format (depending on circumstances)" - this flexibility is now legally protected! 🌐

Fact #5: Vietnamese courts can now review your Zalo chat history as official evidence in corporate disputes! Those casual "k" replies (Vietnamese shorthand for "OK") might be legally binding! 😅

Fact #6: The company in this case used an external event organizing company to run the meeting - and the court said that's FINE! You don't need internal staff to validate corporate procedures! 🎪✅


😂 Legal Meme Break!

📱 Evolution of Corporate Consent

1920s: *Signs 50-page document in blood*
    "I hereby solemnly swear my agreement..."
    📜🖋️

1990s: *Faxes signed document*
    "Please find attached my formal consent"  
    📠

2010s: *Sends PDF via email*
    "Please see my digital signature attached"
    📧

2023 Vietnam: *Sends Zalo at 2 AM*
    "ok nha em 😴"
    ✅ LEGALLY BINDING!
    📱⚖️

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When you send "👍" in the board WhatsApp:

Your brain: "Just acknowledging I saw the message"
           🧠

Vietnamese law: "BINDING CORPORATE CONSENT RECEIVED"
           ⚖️📝

Your lawyer: 💰💰💰

💡 Pro Tips: Navigating Digital Corporate Consent

For Board Members 👔📱

DO:Treat ALL digital communications about board matters seriouslyUse clear language - "I agree," "I approve," "I consent" ✅ Save your Zalo/WhatsApp chat history - it's now legal evidence! ✅ Respond promptly if you disagree - silence after seeing a message could hurt you later ✅ Request formal procedures if you want them - put it in writing! ✅ Document your concerns immediately if you have objections

DON'T:Use ambiguous emojis without context (what does 🤔 mean? Agreement? Doubt?) ❌ Say "OK" if you mean "I acknowledge receipt" - be specific! ❌ Assume casual language protects you - "OK nha em" is binding! ❌ Delete message history - you might need it as evidence ❌ Wait days to object - raise concerns immediately ❌ Use sarcasm in official communications - courts won't get the joke!

For Companies & Chairmen 🏢📋

Best Practices:

  • Update your company charter to explicitly allow digital consent methods
  • Create a digital communication policy specifying which platforms are "official"
  • Get explicit acknowledgment - ask members to confirm: "Do you approve?"
  • Keep records of all digital communications related to board decisions
  • Send confirmations - recap decisions via formal channels after digital agreement
  • Set deadlines - "Please respond by [date] or we'll proceed"
  • Use reply-required formats - don't let silence be ambiguous

For Lawyers Advising Clients ⚖️📝

Strategic Advice:

  • Educate clients about the binding nature of casual digital consent
  • Review chat histories during due diligence - they're now discoverable!
  • Include digital evidence clauses in shareholder agreements
  • Draft clear escalation procedures for when members disagree
  • Create templates for digital consent that meet legal requirements
  • Advise on timing - immediate objections are stronger than delayed ones

🌿 Nature's "Law": The Bee Democracy Analogy

When honey bees need to choose a new hive location, they use what scientists call "quorum sensing" 🐝. Scout bees communicate their findings through the "waggle dance" - and here's the fascinating part: the bees don't require a formal written record or physical signatures!

How it works:

  1. Scout bee finds a good location 🔍
  2. Returns and does a waggle dance 💃
  3. Other bees watch and either:
    • Join the dance (agreement!) ✅
    • Do nothing (abstention) 🤷
    • Dance for a different location (disagreement) ❌

The parallel to our case:

  • Waggle dance = "OK nha em" via Zalo 📱
  • No written records needed = Digital messages are sufficient 📝
  • Clear communication = What matters most 💬
  • The colony decides = Consensus through behavior, not formalities 🐝

Bees have been using "digital communication" (chemical and movement signals) for millions of years. Vietnamese corporate law is just catching up! 🌟

Similarly, wolf packs 🐺 make group decisions through body language and vocalizations - no formal meetings required. A lowered head or specific howl communicates agreement or dissent. The key? Clear, timely signals that the group can interpret.

Vietnamese courts are essentially saying: "Humans have evolved past needing quill pens and wax seals. Welcome to 2023!" 🕊️


📝 Quick Knowledge Quiz!

Question 1: If you send "OK nha em" via Zalo responding to board meeting minutes, have you given legally binding consent? a) No, it's too casual b) Only if you also sign physically c) Yes, according to this court decision d) Only if you use formal Vietnamese

Question 2: What was the key law that allowed the court to recognize digital consent? a) Civil Code 2015 b) Enterprise Law 2020, Articles 60 & 62 c) E-Transaction Law d) There is no such law

Question 3: When did David Nguyen object to the board minutes? a) Immediately after receiving them b) Several days later, on November 3, 2022 c) During the meeting d) He never objected

Question 4: What percentage of board member consent was required for the decision? a) 51% b) 75% c) 100% d) 66%

Question 5: Can companies use external event organizers to run board meetings? a) Never b) Only for shareholder meetings c) Yes, according to this decision d) Only with court approval

Question 6: Which of these messages would likely NOT constitute valid consent? a) "Đồng ý" (I agree) b) "OK" c) "👍" d) "LOL this is ridiculous 😂" (with no follow-up objection)

(Answers: c, b, b, c, c, d)


🎯 The Big Takeaway

This decision sends a clear message:

"Vietnamese corporate law has entered the digital age! 🚀 Your casual Zalo messages, WhatsApp replies, and text responses can be JUST AS LEGALLY BINDING as traditional written signatures - IF they clearly express agreement."

The Court's Three-Part Test for digital consent validity:

  1. ❓ Was the intent clear? Did your message clearly show agreement?
  2. ⏰ Was it timely? Did you object immediately if you disagreed?
  3. 📱 Was it documented? Is there a record of your digital communication?

If YES to all three → Your "OK nha em" is legally binding! ✅

Key Principles:

  • Substance over form - Clear agreement matters more than formal procedures
  • Modern communication is valid - Digital messages = legal consent
  • Timing is everything - Immediate objections are stronger
  • Context matters - Courts will read your entire message exchange
  • You can't un-ring the bell - Can't withdraw consent just because outcomes change

For businesses: This is a GOOD thing! It allows faster, more efficient decision-making without sacrificing legal validity! 🏢⚡

For board members: This is a WARNING! Every text you send about company matters might end up as Exhibit A in court! ⚠️📱


🗣️ Your Turn to Weigh In!

We want to hear from YOU!

💬 Discussion Questions:

  • Have you ever sent casual messages about business matters that you later regretted? 😅
  • Should courts distinguish between different emoji reactions? (👍 vs 😂 vs 🤔)
  • Does this decision make corporate governance MORE or LESS efficient?
  • What's the most casual message you've sent that turned out to be important?
  • Should Vietnam require a minimum formality level for corporate decisions?

Share your digital consent horror stories in the comments below! 👇

Did this case surprise you? Have you been sending "OK nha em" without realizing its legal weight? Let's debate! 🔥

Poll Time! 📊 Which messaging platform do YOU use for business communications?

  • Zalo 🇻🇳
  • WhatsApp 💚
  • Telegram ✈️
  • Email only 📧
  • Carrier pigeons 🐦 (you traditionalist, you!)

🚨 Fun But Serious: A Brief Legal Disclaimer 🚨

Hey there, legal explorer! 🕵️♂️ Before you go...

  • This article is like a map, not a teleporter 🗺️ It'll guide you, but won't zap your problems away!
  • Each legal journey is unique 🦄 Your mileage may vary!
  • For real-world quests, seek a professional legal wizard 🧙‍♂️ (May we suggest Thay Diep & Associates Law Firm?)

Remember: Reading this doesn't make you a lawyer, just like watching "Top Gun" doesn't make you a pilot! ✈️😉

Important Note: This case (Decision No. 1191/2023/QDPT-KDTM) represents the Ho Chi Minh City People's Court's interpretation of Vietnam's Enterprise Law 2020. While appellate decisions are persuasive, they're not binding precedent on other courts. For your specific situation, always consult a qualified Vietnamese lawyer! ⚖️

Special Warning: Before you start approving million-dollar deals via emoji, remember that courts will examine the ENTIRE context of your communications. When in doubt, get it in writing - formally! 📝


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Sending You Positive Legal Vibes! ✨

If you're reading this in the evening 🌙, may you sleep soundly knowing your casual "OK" messages are now legally binding (sweet dreams or nightmares - you decide! 😅)!

If you're reading this in the morning ☀️, may your day be filled with clear, unambiguous communications that can never be misinterpreted in court!

If you're reading this during lunch 🍜, may your afternoon Zalo messages be carefully worded and your emojis legally appropriate!

If you're reading this late at night 🦉 (fellow legal eagle burning the midnight oil!), may your coffee be strong, your citations accurate, and may you NEVER accidentally send "OK nha em" to a board resolution you disagree with!

If you're reading this while checking your phone during a board meeting 📱😅 (we know you are!), may you think VERY carefully before hitting send on that next message!

And if you're reading this after sending "OK" to something you shouldn't have 😱, may you have a really, really good lawyer! 🙏

May your digital communications be clear, your consent be intentional, and your Zalo history be forever in your favor! 🌟📱⚖️

P.S. If you found this article helpful, don't just send me "OK nha em" in the comments - that might be legally binding! 😂


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Sunday, October 19, 2025

The Secretary Scandal: Can an "Outsider" Torpedo Your Shareholder Meeting? 📝⚖️

 

Etymology Corner 📚✨

The word "secretary" comes from the Medieval Latin "secretarius," meaning "confidential officer" - from "secretum" (secret). Originally, secretaries were trusted keepers of secrets! 🤫 Today's corporate secretaries might not guard state secrets, but they DO guard something precious: the official record of what happened in your meetings! 📋



In a Nutshell: The Corporate Drama 🎭

Imagine this: Your company holds a major shareholder meeting. Decisions worth millions are made. Votes are cast. The future is decided. But wait - the person writing everything down isn't your company's employee! 😱

Can this technicality blow up the entire meeting? That's exactly what Vietnam's Supreme Court had to decide in Decision No. 20/2017/KDTM-GĐT!

The Plot: Tech Components Joint Stock Company held an extraordinary shareholders' meeting on May 28, 2013. Five shareholders (let's call them the "Rebel Five" 🦸‍♀️) wanted to invalidate ALL the meeting's decisions because, among other issues, the meeting secretary Ms. Marina Wong wasn't a company employee - she worked for an event organizing company!

The Twist: The Supreme Court said... "Nope! Nice try, but that's not enough to nuke the whole meeting!" 🎯


📊 The Case At A Glance

🏢 THE PLAYERS:
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👥 Plaintiffs ("Rebel Five"): 5 Shareholders
   - Robert Hong, Diana Nguyen, Helen Luong,
     Betty Nguyen, Linda Tran

🏛️ Defendant: Tech Components JSC

⚔️ Key Opponents:
   - Thomas Ngo (Board Chairman)
   - Mary Le (Board Member)  
   - Larry Hoang (Board Member)

📝 The Controversy: Ms. Marina Wong (Event Company Employee)

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📅 TIMELINE:

May 28, 2013: 🎪 Extraordinary Meeting Held
2014: 🚫 First Instance Court → REJECTED Claims
2014: 🚫 Appellate Court → REJECTED Appeals
July 14, 2017: ⚖️ Supreme Court → FINAL: Claims DENIED

The Secretary Saga: What Actually Happened? 🕵️‍♂️

The Rebel Five's Argument 💢

The plaintiff shareholders threw EVERYTHING at this meeting, including a kitchen sink worth of complaints! One of their arrows was:

"The meeting secretary wasn't our employee! This violates the law!"

Their reasoning:

  • Article 27 of Company Charter + Company Board Regulations: Required the company's appointed secretary to serve as meeting secretary
  • Ms. Marina Wong: Employee of International Communications JSC (the event organizer), NOT Tech Components JSC
  • Therefore: The meeting minutes are invalid! The whole meeting should be canceled! 🚫

The Defense's Response 🛡️

Chairman Thomas Ngo and the Board argued:

  • Shareholder approval: Meeting attendees voted to accept Ms. Wong as secretary
  • Practical necessity: The company hired an event organizer to handle the meeting logistics
  • Legal compliance: Enterprise Law Article 103(c) only requires the chairman to "appoint someone to serve as secretary" - it doesn't require them to be an employee!
  • No harm, no foul: The minutes accurately reflected what happened 📝

🏛️ Court Journey: Three Strikes, You're Out! ⚾

Round 1: First Instance Court (2014)

Hai Phong People's Court's Verdict: ❌ REJECTED

"We find no basis to invalidate the shareholder meeting decisions."

Round 2: Appellate Court (2014)

Supreme People's Court's Appellate Division Verdict: ❌ REJECTED AGAIN

"We agree with the first instance court. Appeals denied!"

Round 3: Supervisory Review (2017)

Supreme People's Court's Council of Judges - THE FINAL WORD: ⚖️ GAME OVER


🎯 The Supreme Court's Brilliant Analysis

The 15-judge panel (led by Chief Justice Nguyen Hoa Binh himself! 🎩) delivered this razor-sharp reasoning:

On the Secretary Issue Specifically:

What the Law Says 📖

  • Enterprise Law Article 103(c): "The chairman appoints someone to serve as meeting secretary to record the minutes"
  • Key word: "SOMEONE" - not "employee," not "staff member," just... someone! 🤷‍♂️

What the Company Rules Said 📋

  • Company Charter Article 27 & Board Regulations: Required the company's appointed secretary to serve at both Board meetings AND shareholder meetings

The Court's Reasoning 🧠

The Supreme Court acknowledged:

"Ms. Marina Wong serving as meeting secretary was NOT consistent with the company's internal regulations." ✅ (They admitted the violation!)

BUT THEN... 🎭

The Court continued with three killer points:

Point 1: Shareholder Approval 🗳️

"At the meeting, attending shareholders voted and unanimously agreed to have Ms. Marina Wong serve as secretary for the meeting."

Democratic legitimacy trumps bureaucratic technicality!

Point 2: Limited Role 📝

"The meeting secretary's role is only to record the proceedings of the meeting."

She's not making decisions, just writing them down!

Point 3: No Material Impact ⚖️

"The fact that the meeting secretary was not the company's secretary does not affect the nature of the matter, nor does it affect the procedures for adopting decisions at the shareholder meeting under Article 104 of the Enterprise Law."

Translation: This is a paperwork hiccup, not a legal catastrophe! 🎪


🏠🚗 Real-Life Examples: When Does This Matter?

Scenario 1: The Startup Board Meeting 💻

StartupX holds its first board meeting. The founder asks her friend (a paralegal) to take minutes because the company hasn't hired anyone yet.

Question: Is this okay? 

Answer: ✅ YES! As long as board members approve and the minutes are accurate, external helpers are fine!

Scenario 2: The AGM Disaster 📉

BigCorp holds its Annual General Meeting with 500 shareholders. They hire a professional meeting services company to manage everything, including minute-taking.

Question: Can shareholders later claim the meeting was invalid because the secretary wasn't an employee? Answer: 🛡️ Probably not! If shareholders approved (even implicitly by not objecting) and procedures were followed, the external secretary won't invalidate the meeting.

Scenario 3: The Secret Meeting 🤐

ShadyCo holds a board meeting using an external secretary specifically to hide certain discussions from company staff.

Question: Is this a problem? 

Answer: ⚠️ Maybe! While external secretaries are allowed, if this is done to circumvent transparency requirements or hide improper conduct, courts might look unfavorably on it.


🤔 Did You Know? Legal Trivia Time!

Fact #1: In Vietnam's Enterprise Law 2005 (applicable at the time), the word "secretary" for shareholder meetings appears only ONCE in Article 103(c) - and it doesn't specify employee status! 📚

Fact #2: Company secretaries in common law countries (UK, Hong Kong, Singapore) are often officers with significant legal responsibilities. In Vietnam, they're primarily administrative! 📋

Fact #3: This Supreme Court decision had 15 judges on the panel - that's more than most Supreme Courts worldwide use for regular cases! The U.S. Supreme Court has only 9! 👨‍⚖️👩‍⚖️

Fact #4: The case took 4 YEARS to reach final resolution (2013-2017). Corporate litigation in Vietnam requires patience! ⏰

Fact #5: Vietnam's Supreme Court can review cases through "supervisory review" (giám đốc thẩm) even after appellate decisions - a feature inherited from the Soviet legal system! 🔍


😂 Legal Meme Break!

📱 Corporate Secretary vs. Meeting Secretary

Internal Employee: "I went to law school for THIS?"
           😤

External Contractor: "I just write what you say!"
           😎

Shareholders trying to invalidate the meeting:
           "Gotcha! You're not an employee!"
           🕵️

Supreme Court: "She was voted in by shareholders.
           Next complaint, please."
           ⚖️😏

Shareholders: *surprised Pikachu face*
           😮

💡 Pro Tips: Lessons for Your Company

For Companies Organizing Meetings 🏢

DO:Appoint internal secretaries when possible - it avoids this whole debate ✅ Get shareholder approval if using external help - even a simple vote at the meeting start ✅ Ensure accurate minutes regardless of who writes them ✅ Update your charter to explicitly allow external secretaries if you use event organizers frequently ✅ Keep detailed records of the appointment process

DON'T:Assume technicalities will invalidate opponent decisions - substance matters more! ❌ Hide behind procedural objections without addressing real issues ❌ Forget to document shareholder approval of procedural matters

For Shareholders Challenging Meetings ⚔️

Strategic Advice:

  • Focus on SUBSTANTIVE violations: voting irregularities, lack of notice, fraud
  • Procedural violations alone rarely win: courts look at actual harm caused
  • Document EVERYTHING: if you're going to challenge a meeting, collect evidence of real procedural harm
  • Don't rely on technicalities: "The secretary wasn't an employee" won't cut it if the meeting was otherwise properly conducted

For Event Organizers 🎪

Best Practices:

  • Clarify your role in the service contract
  • Stay neutral - you're a scribe, not a decision-maker
  • Ensure accuracy in minutes - your reputation depends on it!
  • Get written appointment from the meeting chairman

🌿 Nature's "Law": The Hive Mind Analogy

In bee colonies 🐝, when scouts find a new hive location, they don't require the "recorder bee" to be from a specific genetic lineage. ANY bee can perform the "waggle dance" to communicate findings, as long as the information is accurate and the colony accepts it!

The parallel: Just like bees care about accurate information (not the messenger's credentials), corporate law cares about:

  • Accurate records
  • Proper procedures
  • Stakeholder acceptance

Not whether the minute-taker has an employee badge! 🎫

Similarly, ant colonies use "chemical secretaries" 🐜 (pheromones) from ANY member to record trail information. What matters is the accuracy and acceptance by the colony, not who left the pheromone!


📝 Quick Knowledge Quiz!

Question 1: According to this Supreme Court decision, can a shareholder meeting use an external person as secretary? 

a) Never allowed 

b) Only if it's an emergency 

c) Yes, if shareholders approve and it doesn't violate procedures d) Only for informal meetings

Question 2: What was the MAIN reason the Supreme Court rejected the challenge about the external secretary? 

a) The company charter didn't actually prohibit it 

b) Shareholders voted to accept her, and it didn't affect the meeting's substance 

c) The secretary had special qualifications 

d) Vietnamese law requires external secretaries

Question 3: If your company regularly uses event organizers for shareholder meetings, what should you do? 

a) Nothing - it's automatically legal 

b) Update your charter to explicitly allow external secretaries 

c) Only use them for informal meetings 

d) Get court approval first

Question 4: Which law determines the role of meeting secretaries? 

a) Labor Code 

b) Enterprise Law 

c) Civil Code 

d) Company-specific bylaws only

Question 5: How many judges reviewed this case at the Supreme Court level? 

a) 3 judges 

b) 7 judges 

c) 15 judges 

d) 1 judge

(Answers: c, b, b, b, c)


🎯 The Big Takeaway

The Supreme Court's message is crystal clear:

"Courts will not invalidate corporate meetings over minor procedural deviations when:

  • Shareholders were properly notified 📢
  • Voting procedures were followed 🗳️
  • The alleged violation didn't cause actual harm ⚖️
  • Shareholders approved the arrangement 🤝"

In other words: Substance over form! 💪

This decision protects companies from bad-faith challenges based on technicalities while still maintaining important procedural safeguards. It's a win for business efficiency! 🏆


🗣️ Your Turn to Weigh In!

We want to hear from you!

💬 Discussion Questions:

  • Have you ever been in a shareholder meeting with an external secretary?
  • Do you think companies should be REQUIRED to use internal employees as secretaries?
  • Should the law be more specific about meeting secretary qualifications?
  • What other "technicalities" have you seen used to challenge corporate decisions?

Share your war stories in the comments below! 👇

Did this case surprise you? Do you agree with the Supreme Court's reasoning? Let's debate! 🔥


🚨 Fun But Serious: A Brief Legal Disclaimer 🚨

Hey there, legal explorer! 🕵️♂️ Before you go...

  • This article is like a map, not a teleporter 🗺️ It'll guide you, but won't zap your problems away!
  • Each legal journey is unique 🦄 Your mileage may vary!
  • For real-world quests, seek a professional legal wizard 🧙‍♂️ (May we suggest Thay Diep & Associates Law Firm?)

Remember: Reading this doesn't make you a lawyer, just like watching "Top Gun" doesn't make you a pilot! ✈️😉

Important Note: This case was decided under the Enterprise Law 2005. Vietnam now has the Enterprise Law 2020, which may have different provisions. Always check current law! ⚖️


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Sending You Positive Legal Vibes! ✨

If you're reading this in the evening 🌙, may you sleep soundly knowing your corporate minutes are properly recorded!

If you're reading this in the morning ☀️, may your day be filled with productive meetings where everyone actually shows up on time!

If you're reading this during lunch 🍜, may your afternoon be free of corporate governance disputes!

If you're reading this late at night 🦉 (fellow legal eagle working overtime!), may your coffee be strong, your arguments stronger, and may you wake up tomorrow to find all your shareholder challenges magically resolved!

And if you're reading this while IN a contentious shareholder meeting 📱😅, may the secretary (internal OR external) be accurately recording this drama for posterity!

May your corporate meetings be drama-free, your minutes be accurate, and your shareholders be reasonable! 🙏✨


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